[00:00:06] Speaker A: Welcome to five Minute Film Finder.
[00:00:09] Speaker A: Brought to you by Pioneer Library System.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: Hello, and welcome to five Minute Film Finder, a Pioneer Library System podcast where we tell you about movies you can find using your Pioneer Library System library card. I'm Tracy, and today I'm joined by Ben, and we're covering an interesting cross junction in films today that Ben called finance movies. Finance movies. I guess technically finance comedies.
[00:00:38] Speaker A: Finance comedies, yes. Yeah.
[00:00:41] Speaker B: That funny money.
[00:00:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:00:46] Speaker A: I've wanted to cover both of these movies for a while, and I kept just being like, there's no other good pair. And this is an absurd pairing. But not that absurd once we got into it.
[00:00:58] Speaker B: I think that. I think that it really works. Once I. I'd never seen either of these movies. Which you were shocked to learn about me. Yeah.
I think that once I watched both of them, I was like, yeah, this makes sense.
[00:01:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:11] Speaker B: And these are both kind of classics in their own right.
[00:01:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:16] Speaker B: And there. I feel like there was a period of time where we're like, movies about money are great. Because one of our movies, Trading Places, I feel like, came out not far within the realm of Brewster's Millions, a movie that I confused with Trading Places.
I'm like one of those money movies that happened in the 80s.
But. Yeah, I don't know that we're making.
[00:01:40] Speaker A: No, I feel like the culture around talking about this stuff has shifted and where it's like, you don't make fun of that, only aspirational.
[00:01:48] Speaker B: Which I think when we get into our.
Our first pick, it's gonna be an interesting thing to talk about because I think this was kind of subversive for that time.
[00:01:56] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely.
[00:01:57] Speaker B: So we can go ahead and get into it. Since we're teeing it up. If Wilhelm will start the timer.
Our first film is 2016's the Big Short.
It is by.
[00:02:11] Speaker B: Adam McKay, who you may know from the works of Anchorman and Talladega stepbrothers. Yes.
[00:02:20] Speaker A: Also Vice. He kind of takes a turn after a certain time.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: He does so in 2016. So up to 2016, he works at SNL. He makes a lot of Will Ferrell movies.
[00:02:30] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: And then all of a sudden, in 2016, he says, I'm going to adapt this nonfiction book about the house in crisis.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: And makes the big short. The IMDb plot synopsis is in the. In 2006 and 2007, a group of investors bet against the United States mortgage market. In their research, they discover how flawed and corrupt the market is.
Do you feel like that's accurate?
Yeah, I feel like I mean, this movie was fascinating to me. It's got a stacked cast.
[00:03:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Like every. Everywhere you turn, there's another star.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: Kind of unreal. So Christian Bale, Steve Carell, Ryan Gosling.
[00:03:13] Speaker A: Brad Pitt in a minor role, barely on the screen.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: He doesn't show up until an hour in. And I, like, saw him on the cast list, and I was like, where the heck is Brad Pitt?
[00:03:21] Speaker A: Just hanging out on vacation.
[00:03:22] Speaker B: And then he shows up an hour in in a terrible wig and does the Lord's work. He's really great in it. But then there were also some smaller players that are really. I was like, hey, it's that guy in it where at one point I was watching it. And Christian Bale, the main.
[00:03:40] Speaker B: Hedge fund guy that he talks to all the time, that's Tracy Letts.
[00:03:44] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:03:45] Speaker B: Oklahoma's own Tracy Letts, playwright of August Osage County.
And then there's two kind of finance bros who work with Brad Pitt, and one of them is John Magaro, who was recently in the film Past Lives.
[00:04:02] Speaker A: Oh, sure.
[00:04:02] Speaker B: He played. Plays Grace Lee's husband in Past Lives and is also in, like, some Kelly Reichardt films and stuff. So I was like, who's that guy?
[00:04:10] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, it is interesting because there's a lot of people in it.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: Oh, and Marisa Tomei.
[00:04:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, yeah. And bless. Yeah. As good as she ever is. Yeah.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: She's so great and everything. Yeah.
[00:04:22] Speaker A: And it's interesting with such a stat cast, there were so many, like, stars to be, like you were saying. It's just like people who really bloomed later after this that just, like. And smaller supporting roles.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Because Jeremy Strong is in this movie way before his succession.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And like, being Jeremy Strong, forecasting that vibe.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Just grumpy finance, bro. And I was like, hey, look at you. I was. I didn't. Because I'd never seen this. I knew. So this film got nominated for a bunch of Oscars. At the time it. Christian Bale got nominated, I looked at who he was up against that year. There was no way he was going to win.
I can't remember who he lost to, but it was somebody that was like, yeah, that was never gonna happen for you, buddy.
But Adam McKay ended up winning a best Original screen or adapted screenplay. Because this is Adapted from a 2011 book by Michael Lewis called the Big Short. You know what other books Michael Lewis wrote?
[00:05:16] Speaker A: I know the name, but I'm not recalling. Yeah.
[00:05:19] Speaker B: He wrote Moneyball.
[00:05:20] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh.
[00:05:21] Speaker B: Which Moneyball is based off of.
[00:05:23] Speaker A: Yeah, of Course.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: And Michael Lewis wrote the Blind side.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: Whoa. Okay.
[00:05:29] Speaker B: The Blind side is based off of he's getting nonfiction books adapted into award winning films like Nobody's Business.
[00:05:37] Speaker A: Truly.
[00:05:38] Speaker B: Like, it's kind of unreal.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: He found his thing for sure.
[00:05:40] Speaker B: Yeah. His niche is getting adapted into award winning, truly Oscar award winning films. But to talk a little bit about the movie, it is all about the lead up to the 2008 housing market crash.
[00:05:53] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:05:53] Speaker B: Which I was old enough to remember the ramifications of.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. It hit right when I was getting out of high school. I was like, oh, the world is over.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: Yeah. I was like 15.
And so I was like, oh, everything's on fire. And you're a teenager and you feel like, you know, it's really weird to be 15 and be like, I'm never gonna be able to buy a house because of waves at environment.
But this movie does a really great job of capturing what that was.
And then also all of these genuine characters inside of some of the stuff that went on behind that.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:30] Speaker B: And I was talking to you before we started that this is sort of like mansplain the movie. Yeah, in a way.
[00:06:39] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think even like leans into it at certain parts. Like, I like the parts where it's like, well, gonna have Margot Robbie explain this concept to you in a bubble bath. And it's like, this is insulting, but.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: But it's also. It's like this movie is in a lot of ways feels like a satire, especially in those parts, because it's like, this is insulting. But we also know that you with your short little attention span.
And Adam McKay was speaking directly to me.
We're at five minutes. Sorry, Wilhelm.
[00:07:14] Speaker B: But he was speaking directly to me when he's like, you with your short little attention span are not going to pay attention to.
[00:07:20] Speaker A: Unless Selena Gomez comes on.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: Yeah. The description of what a CDO is, which I wasn't. And he's like, but Margot Robbie's gonna drink champagne. Or Anthony Bourdain's gonna come on and use his fish metaphor, which he famously uses in Kitchen Confidential. So I was like. It was me doing like the Leonardo DiCaprio. I know that guy, like, thing. Like, I was like, I know that story. And yeah. And then Selena Gomez just coming on to explain these, like, really difficult financial terms to you. Or like the thing. The part of the movie that struck me the most is when Christian Bale is going around buying all of the.
The short stocks to start off with, and he's, you know, with the bankers and they're like, oh, we'll sell you $5 million. He's like, how about 100 million? And then shake youe Money Maker by Ludacris starts playing.
[00:08:07] Speaker A: The song drops in this movie are so funny.
[00:08:11] Speaker B: They're like, l Intercutting like clips from the music video for Ludacris. Like, Pharrell shows up and you're like, what? But it. It is so 2016.
[00:08:22] Speaker A: It's such a straight. Yeah, it's. I forgot. So I. I had seen this movie before and I forgot how silly and stylized certain aspects are. But is so serious at times too. Yes. And like, does not play down the serious of the subject matter. But it's just like, this is absurd. So let's make it absurd.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it makes it absurd. It also works to make it sort of sexy, which is part of. So Ryan Gosling's like a huge. His character is a banker and is kind of the narrator of the film in a lot of ways. And he came on at one point to be like, we made banking sexy with things like this. And then it also.
Just. The way he does the needle drops. The way that certain things play out. You're like, is banking.
Is it sexy?
[00:09:08] Speaker A: Is this how this happened?
[00:09:10] Speaker B: Is this cool?
[00:09:12] Speaker A: And you're like, no.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: But then also you're like, but no, it's not. But I think that's sort of the magic trick of the movie is that it really does because it is so stylized.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:09:23] Speaker B: It's kind of unreal how stylized it is. Like, that's one of. I can understand why he got so many Oscar nominations because it was like immediately. Auteur. Filmmaker. Yeah. Energy.
[00:09:32] Speaker A: It's like, who would. Who would think to do a financial crisis movie and then as like a make it fun and have a ludicrous song as like a bit to something happening.
[00:09:43] Speaker B: Exactly. And so I can understand why it got so much visibility and interest at the time and why Adam McKay has gone on to have like.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: A career that gets critical attention, even if it doesn't always work. Because he had don't look. Don't look up. Come out in 2021. And that was sort of a mixed success.
But I think this movie is really, really does a good job of explaining the whole thing to you in like a 2 hour and 15 minute time slot. When you're looking at, like, what is a pretty dense non fiction book, I'm sure you don't get everything, but you get like a good overview. It's fun.
It's got a bunch of actors that you really, like, in it. That are being charming in different ways. Yeah.
Where you're like, ew, gross.
[00:10:31] Speaker A: But also, we kept watching Ryan Gosling and just being like, how can he be charming when he's being baldly gross?
That's the magic is like, he knows how to play that character where you're just like, I hate this guy. But also, I get it.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: For me, it was like, how can he be so charming in that hairpiece?
[00:10:52] Speaker A: Truly, like, yeah. It's like all of it. Like, he's wearing colored contacts and, like a weird wig and being. Being a gross, like, greedy, like, money monster guy.
But you're still like, it's Ryan Gosling.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: It works. It does. And in the opposite way. Steve Carell is sort of like a conspiracy theorist in almost a way. But then he also has these really beautiful, like this beautiful, soft, emotional moment with Marisa Tomei talking about this tragic thing that happened in his life where I genuinely cried.
[00:11:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:11:26] Speaker B: It was incredibly moving. And then even Christian Bale, who's like this awkward man who runs this hedge fund, has this moment where he's like, nobody's ever liked me except for my wife. Except for my wife.
I'm closing down my hedge fund. And you're like, good for you.
[00:11:45] Speaker A: Yeah, good for you.
[00:11:46] Speaker B: So it is a real magic trick of a film. Even if it is, I think sometimes a lot.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you live through this period, it might be a little bit stressful and triggering, especially with people talking about the new bubble that's currently existing in our economy. So that's part of what I was feeling when I was watching this is like, oh, no, are we in for round two?
[00:12:10] Speaker B: It's like, is Glen Powell gonna be in the Big Short 2? We should get him. He'd be great in.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: Oh, man. Truly.
[00:12:18] Speaker B: I think this is. I would say, watch this movie, though.
[00:12:21] Speaker A: Yeah, watch this movie.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: It had a ton of award acclaim.
Christian Bale's unbelievable in it. He really is. And it's, despite everything, a pretty fun watch.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, light and breezy. For most of it.
[00:12:36] Speaker B: For most of it. And then you have to be like, right, stocks.
[00:12:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: But this movie's on Canopy.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: This movie is on Kanopy and on Hoopla. Yep.
[00:12:45] Speaker B: So I would say, check it out.
[00:12:46] Speaker A: Go get it.
We'll take a quick break and we'll be right back.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: And we are back from our break on Five Minute Film Finder. And Ben is gonna talk about our second film.
[00:13:03] Speaker A: Alright, Wilhelm, start the clock. We are talking about 1983's Trading Places.
Were you a Eddie Murphy kid?
[00:13:13] Speaker B: I loved Eddie Murphy. Absolutely. I still love Eddie Murphy.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:13:17] Speaker B: He's so good at being Eddie Murphy.
[00:13:21] Speaker A: Oh, and prime Eddie Murphy during this period.
[00:13:23] Speaker B: This is like high. Like, how much? This wasn't that long after 48 hours, was it? Or was it just before?
[00:13:29] Speaker A: That is a great question. I will look that up while we continue talking.
[00:13:34] Speaker A: So real quick.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: This is a movie about trading places.
[00:13:41] Speaker B: This is a movie about trading stocks.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Trading stocks and places. I will read the IMDb synopsis.
As is tradition.
[00:13:51] Speaker A: A snobbish Wall street commodities broker and a wily street hustler find their positions reversed as part of a bet by two Kaus millionaire brothers who run a brokerage house.
That's exactly what happened.
[00:14:02] Speaker B: He nailed it.
[00:14:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that is a great one. So the Duke brothers, some weird rich brothers who run brokerage firm, do a classic. Well, is it nature or is it nurture?
[00:14:15] Speaker B: You know, a normal bet you make.
[00:14:18] Speaker A: With your brother and upend people's lives, Ruin people's lives.
[00:14:24] Speaker B: I think I do want to say up front, there are some things in this movie that have not aged.
[00:14:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Period. Anytime we cover a comedy that is more than 5 to 10 years old, even those ones can be dicey.
Things are not going to age well. Culture has moved on from certain things. Language, ways of talking about groups and ways of portraying things.
[00:14:48] Speaker B: Ways of portraying race as a white person.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: So some quick warnings.
There is insensitive language. There is blackface in this film.
Done by Dan Aykroyd.
There is nudity in this film.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: There's a lot of nudity in this film.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: There's also, surprisingly, nudity in the big short too, which I also forgot about.
Very brief. But.
[00:15:12] Speaker B: Guys with Money, what are they gonna do?
[00:15:14] Speaker A: Yeah, but that being said, a fantastic, fun movie, very early 80s comedy, I.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: Think a satire that has only gotten more poignant as time has gone on.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: Absolute.
[00:15:32] Speaker A: So the funny thing about this movie is I thought of it as more of a much more conventional comedy when I remembered it. And then I was like, oh, no, it is silly. It has moments of satire. It has moments of pure absurdity, almost like lampoonish, but also moments of real darkness.
[00:15:55] Speaker B: Real, real darkness. Yeah, I will say so. This is. You mentioned National Lampoons. So John Landis directed this film, who is definitely a director who has a lot of history in his films and then also a lot of history in his life of things that he's done. But the run up to this film for John Landis was Animal House.
[00:16:19] Speaker A: Incredible.
[00:16:20] Speaker B: Blues Brothers. Incredible American Werewolf in London.
[00:16:24] Speaker A: Oh, boy.
[00:16:24] Speaker B: And then he did Trading Places.
[00:16:26] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:16:27] Speaker B: So like, talk about a run.
[00:16:29] Speaker A: Yeah, he was on a run.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: He was on a hot streak. And I mean, then you get Eddie Murphy and he'd worked with Dan Aygrid before in Blues Brothers.
[00:16:39] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: Then he gets Eddie Murphy.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: And Jamie Lee Curtis.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: Talk about a hot cast.
[00:16:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So I've got Eddie Murphy's run and it is.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: That time is unbelievable.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: Year, year after year. 48 hours, trading places going into.
He's on. He's on Saturday Night Live, Beverly Hills Cop.
[00:17:07] Speaker A: Golden Child, Beverly Hills Cop 2, which I believe Landis also did. Yep. Coming to America also.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: This also did.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So they, they clearly had a good working relationship together. Yeah.
[00:17:19] Speaker B: And I think the premise of this movie is so high concept now. Like when you think of someone trying to make a comedy like this now, I just don't think it would happen.
[00:17:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:17:33] Speaker B: Where it's just these two guys who have this man who works for him that they like perfectly well.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: They're like, but also.
[00:17:46] Speaker A: I will destroy this man.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: But I will destroy him. Yeah. And have him trade places with Eddie Murphy on a bet that if they take Eddie Murphy, who is at that time, like, I think, I hate to say a beggar, but I think that's, you know, at the beginning of the movie that is, you know, he's asking for money.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: Oh, and there's, there's Willemba.
[00:18:06] Speaker B: Already a five minute.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: We're gonna keep getting into it.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: We were just talking about the career run of Eddie Murphy. It would take 13 days.
[00:18:13] Speaker A: Truly.
Yeah. He's described in movie as a con man. They don't get into a ton of that. Other than him.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: Trying to trick the Dukes into thinking that he's a blind crippled beggar.
[00:18:29] Speaker A: Which not great.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: Well, the cops pick him up though, and he does this like, I have legs. And you're like Eddie Murphy. You really can get away with a lot.
[00:18:39] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: The 10,000 watt charisma on Eddie Murphy in this film is unbelievable.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Like the energy of him. And also between that version of the character through the growth of the character, it just works so well.
[00:19:00] Speaker B: Because there's a scene later on in the film when he.
[00:19:04] Speaker B: Dan Aykroyd, have traded places.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:07] Speaker B: And he's having this big party at his house and he all of a sudden gets really mad that nobody's using coasters.
[00:19:14] Speaker A: And like that's his trigger point. And he's like, oh, no.
[00:19:18] Speaker A: He's changed.
He's evolved.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: It's, like, so charming, though, where he's very, very angry about the coaster thing. And you're like, what a silly little choice you made. And he kicks everybody out, everybody out, everybody. But then he also has this very charming relationship with.
He literally gets moved straight into Dan Aykroyd's house. And Dan Aykroyd had a butler. And after all of that, the butler is like, oh, well, I'll take care of it. And he's like, oh, thank you so much.
Goes upstairs. You can see the butler is clearly moved by the fact that somebody, like, thanked him. And you're like, oh, no. Cause that guy's great too. And then also, one of the major villains of this is. Did you notice it's just the principal from the Breakfast Club.
[00:20:02] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. As the PI Henchman.
[00:20:07] Speaker B: Weird guy for the evil millionaire brothers. Yeah.
[00:20:12] Speaker A: We have not even mentioned Jamie Lee Curtis.
[00:20:17] Speaker B: She is radiant in this movie.
[00:20:19] Speaker A: Another.
[00:20:21] Speaker A: Actress right at her prime. Like the beginning of her powers, beginning of her long, illustrious career. It's right after her Scream Queen era, moving into her comedy era.
[00:20:34] Speaker B: Yes. And she. This. This character doesn't have a lot to, like, go off of, but Jamie Lee Curtis is so, like, pure and lovely and lovable and funny. There's like, a scene where she goes to kiss Dan Aykroyd and she, like, takes the gum out of her mouth and hands it to someone to hold on to. And then she takes it back and you're like, great. Bravo.
She's so good.
And Dan Aykroyd is hysterical in this too, as just like a guy absolutely.
[00:21:07] Speaker A: Losing his mind once he hits the sad sack era of I'm gonna be poor forever.
It's so funny. Cause he's very good at being the annoying, pompous guy, but it's so much more fun once he gets taken down a peg. And he really plays that well.
[00:21:27] Speaker B: He plays it truly wild.
And it's really, really fun to see him like that.
[00:21:34] Speaker B: Once again. I think I said I don't think everything in this movie is great, but I think that the performances in this are just beyond everyone in it, including those two guys I looked up who play the brothers who run the hedge fund. They are unbelievable. They're this short of twirling their mustaches, and it's really, really fun.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: Yeah, they feel like Statler and Waldorf.
[00:22:00] Speaker B: Very that. But like evil.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:02] Speaker B: Truly evil and not just a little bit mean.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
It's very interesting. And then there is, like, a really big satire on wealth and race in this. That I think those are the parts that really hold up the best. Yeah.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: And it is interesting how they are commenting on race, but then at times you're like, oh, how'd they miss that?
[00:22:25] Speaker B: Every now and then it's like, whiff.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:27] Speaker B: But then some parts you're like, yeah.
[00:22:30] Speaker A: That was like a pretty. Yeah, like, great biting little commentary on. On race relations and like, and wealth disparity and all that.
[00:22:41] Speaker B: So. But that. But then some of it, you're like, oof.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:44] Speaker B: Some of it's a big oof.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
So.
[00:22:49] Speaker A: Watch this movie with. With knowledge of. Like, this was the early 80s and not a beacon of the future. It was definitely a product of its time and a more raunchy product of its time.
So.
[00:23:09] Speaker A: I would say watch both these movies. They're both super fun.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: Asterix asterisks with both of them for different reasons.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Yes.
There's a lot of interest there. If these sound interesting to you, then check them out because there's definitely a lot there. Even if some of it you're like, oh, no, oh no. But then some of it's really good. You know, go in with a critical lens. Yeah.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: This one is also available both on Kanopy and Hoopla.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: I don't think I have anything else to say.
[00:23:45] Speaker B: I don't think I do either. Except for that. It's always great to spend time with you, Ben.
[00:23:49] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: If you want to get in contact with us, you can send us an
[email protected] we love to hear from you guys.
Otherwise, thanks for hanging out with me today, Ben. Yeah, I'll see you soon.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: Bye.
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